LOUISVILLE, KY (WAVE) - A request has been made by both defendants for
separate trials in the grisly murder of a Louisville teen.
Josh Gouker and his son Josh Young are both accused of killing Gouker's
14-year old stepson Trey Zwicker with a baseball bat. Zwicker's body was found
in May 2011 behind Liberty High School.
The trial is supposed to start April 15, but now Young's attorneys are
telling the judge, the teen has the right to a fair trial. They contend he
can't get one if he's tried with his father.
Young's attorneys say Gouker is a manipulator who has influenced witnesses.
They are using Gouker's phone conversations from jail to try and prove their
"With all due respect to Mr. Gouker," said Young's attorney Pete
Schuler to Circuit Judge Barry Willett, "he thinks he's smarter than
Judge Willett is weighing the Gouker argument.
Schuler continued talking about Gouker, " He used violence and he used
sex and he's used drugs to control people that are a lot weaker than he
Young's attorneys maintain it was Gouker who killed Trey Zwicker, but they
claim Gouker is using his power over women in his life to get them to say it
was "little Josh" who killed Zwicker.
Young's defense team played Gouker's 2011 jail phone conversations to some
of the women in question. Louisville Metro Police detectives were at the
jail with Gouker when he called his friend Cassie.
Gouker: "Who killed Trey?"
Gouker: "The truth. Who Killed Trey?"
Cassie: "You did it, right?"
Gouker: "No, tell the truth. Who did it? This
is Big Josh."
Gouker: "Tell the truth. Who killed Trey?"
Cassie: "You did, right? I don't know."
Young's attorneys contend Gouker committed the murder to hurt Zwicker's
mother, and they claim Young had no motive to kill his stepbrother.
Schuler told the judge, "There's no physical evidence, no nothing. It just
comes from people Mr. Gouker controls."
Gouker's attorney told the judge he also wants separate trials.
But prosecutors, who believe Gouker convinced his son to commit the murder
and helped plan it, told the judge they're faced with manipulative defendants every
day, and they don't believe it's enough reason for separate trials.
"The jury needs the full picture of what went on," said prosecutor
Elizabeth Jones Brown, "and so the jury needs both defendants in front of
Gouker's attorney asked the judge to delay the trial, saying it's been tough
to get time to meet with Gouker in prison.
The judge denied the request but said he would send a request so the
prisoner can be available during off hours.
He should have a decision on separate trials by the next court hearing on
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